Futuretalk with Henry Deacon (Arthur Neumann), Bob Dean, Alfred Webre, and Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot - recorded at the Barcelona Exopolitics Summit on 26 July 2009.
There is a destiny for the human race in the stars...
EXOPOLITICS INTERVIEW with Alfred Lambremont Webre (2001)
Q: How could advanced non-terrestrial contact assist us out of our "petroleum-nuclear planetary coffin" and aid us in leading a sustainable society? Where do you see us in, say 11 years [by 2012] and 50 years [by 2050]?
A: The essence of exopolitics is that our relationships depend on our interaction. Right now, our official human culture denies the existence of the ecology of intelligent civilizations that surround us in space and among the interactive Universe dimensions. There is not very far that we can get with that kind of denial. We are a sort of autistic civilization, insistent on the fact that we alone are alive. That autism is artificial. It is the result of a ruling network of terrestrial elites who have kept humanity ignorant of the existence of non-terrestrial civilizations for at least the past half-century, since the end of World War II. The autism may also be the result of an information blackout imposed by lower-order non-terrestrials. Editor’s Note: This sentence refers to an “information blackout” or Quarantine described in Exopolitics: Politics, Government and Law in the Universe as follows: “Earth is isolated because it is under intentional quarantine by a structured, rational Universe society. There are signs around us of a Universe initiative to reintegrate Earth into interplanetary society. It is possible that Earth may be permitted to rejoin Universe society, under certain conditions, or at a future time certain.”
Open interaction with Universe society could yield fairly rapid results in forestalling our ecological crisis, and elevating human society. New energy non-polluting energy sources - of human design and application could at last be made available without their inventor's fearing assassination by petroleum and nuclear interests. Our petroleum civilization would be stalemated and made obsolete. Universe society's laws and institutions prohibit war as a conflict resolution mechanism. The ruling terrestrial elites - and the permanent war economy - have historically used war as a key means of production and power.
Exopolitics is the study of law, government and politics in the Universe. It is Universe law, government, and politics that will liberate human society.
As to the time frame, that is dependent on human interactivity. We must build an exopolitical grass-roots on Earth - a Decade of Contact for community politics and education about Universe society and our Universal heritage.
Q: What encompases our Universe society? What do you believe is actually going on here? A re-integration? Has there been a continuous, hidden, non-terrestrial presence on earth throughout history?; What is your theory on non-terrestrial intervention?
A: Universal law encompasses all of the Universe - Universal law and justice exist and govern all intelligent life in the Universe. Universe society is one society - a multiplicity of societies under Universal law.
Human society, by analogy, is a unitary, multi-cultural society on a single life-bearing planet.
We are to Universe society as a garden is to the gardener. Life-bearing planets and the life species on them are grown and developed by dimensional civilizations which are devoted to this.
There are many inter-acting facets to what we call "Non-terrestrial" or "Extraterrestrial". What we see as "Interstellar space" is but one dimension of a multi-dimensional Universe. Thus advanced, interplanetary civilizations are in fact, "multi-dimensional", "extraterrestrial" "interstellar" and perhaps even "planetary" on another life-bearing planet. What is of important to Exopolitics is that all of this reality - all interactions and relationships by intelligent life in the Universe -are ruled by law, government and politics.
Q: Are global management bodies in contact with some sort of Galactic Federation or with some sort of supernatural spiritual adepts?
A: Possibly. From some evidence there may have been fifty years of intrigue and power relationships between a lower order non-terrestrial force and USA military-intelligence networks. Conversely, the highest covert priority of the USA military over the last 50 years appears to be waging an information war against the non-terrestrial presence - a knowledge embargo; black propaganda and black ops to demonize the non-terrestrials.
But this is almost beside the point in the long run.
Universe society is acting to increase the awareness of the human race as a whole. Open interaction with the highest levels of Universe society is designed for the evolution of the human race, not the illusory temporal power needs of a few white men.
Q: If your 1977 Carter White House Extraterrestrial Communication Study had not been terminated, what would you have found? Would we have had disclosure over the last 25 years? How would today be different?
A: We would most probably be now acting under 25 years of open disclosure. The differences could be incalculable, with that degree of power and authority to open up interaction and get beyond the zero-sum game of the death forces that now enforce the embargo against open contact.
"The only way out is through," the saying goes. Well, we didn't get through under the Carter Administration, so now we must get through at the grass-roots.
Q: Are the non-terrestrials acclimating/acclimatizing us to their presence? What must humanity do before they exist with us more openly?
A: Yes. Acclimating is a good term for this process. The entire UFO phenomenon can be seen as a vast peripheral-cuing mass psychological condition project to enhance our awareness of higher intelligence in the Universe.
Humanity is in a very good place, psychologically and Universally. Between 50 and 100 million adult North Americans (between 25% and 50% of the adult populations - Gallup and Zogby polls) believe in the reality of extraterrestrial presence on Earth. They will not have a problem absorbing the new post-reality.
The difficulty is not the human population - it is the networks of human governments and the ownership of a petroleum and nuclear energy civilization that is in the hands of retrogressive forces. The ruling terrestrial elites are not ignorant of the non-terrestrial presence. They are actively carrying out a fifty year information war against our integration with Universe society.
Q: Please offer your thoughts on weapons in space; killer comets/asteroids; the role of the United Nations with non-terrestrial contact; some sort of shift in the consciousness of humanity.
A: The USA's "Star Wars" and the militarization of space is part of the information war against Earth's integration with Universe society. Star Wars is an "inside code word" for this war among the military planners. The issue is whether our space technology will be in accord with Universal principles, or controlled by a military empire. Dealing with near earth objects is a common application of space technology. The USA will ultimately suffer ignominious defeat by Universe society should it persist as a space military power.
Q: Exopolitics seems to involve elite power groups- information, propaganda, coverup, disclosure;etc. What is the situation concerning pro and anti-disclosure factions? Will the non-terrestrials bypass this earth-style politics?
A: Exopolitics merely describes a process - that of law, politics and government in the Universe. Politics does not end at the geostationary orbit. It is Universal.
The task of our generation is to make exopolitics at the grassroots level. Where are the concerts on behalf of integrating with the Universe? Where are the artists, the activists, the students, the writers, the militants? Answer - they are coping with the effects of the information war and the embargo against even thinking that non-terrestrial civilization.
How do we bust out into a grassroots exopolitics - like the Peace movement, say of the 1960s-80s?
Q: What essential points are you trying to make in EXOPOLITICS: POLITICS, GOVERNMENT AND LAW IN THE UNIVERSE?
A: Exopolitics is more than extraterrestrial politics. Exopolitics is real and an immediate part of Earth's social ecology. Exopolitics, as a discipline, is the study of politics, government and law in the Universe. It is an authentic, newly received branch of human knowledge, as well as an exciting frontier. Exopolitics is also the self-regulating process of a populated, highly advanced and organized Universe. Exopolitics provides the institutional framework for Earth's integration into Universe society. That process is now ongoing and will accelerate as exopolitical realities are awakened in humankind.
Q: What, in your mind, are the political implications of the book EXOPOLITICS: POLITICS, GOVERNMENT AND LAW IN THE UNIVERSE?
A: Well, we don’t know yet the impact of the Exopolitics perspective. But the implications of exopolitics itself for human politics are profound. The change to be brought about is not a sea change, it is a Universe change for human kind. The current paradigm of human politics has the political process ending at Earth's edge (as the human law of outer space establishes). Exopolitics mediates Earth's political and governmental relationships with societies and organizations in interplanetary society. The impact of exopolitics on human politics will be transformative. An aware Grass roots politics will deconstruct the information war waged against the Extraterrestrial Initiative, largely by Echelon countries (USA, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada). Humankind will reclaim their Universal rights to Universal citizenship. Earth's politics will extend to the exopolitics of other societies in the Universe.
Q: How do your credentials and background bolster the disclosure process?
A: I think of my contribution to the exopolitical process in terms of praxis, the melding of theory and practice. As theory, in The Age of Cataclysm (1974) we developed the context theory of extraterrestrial communications. That is, interpreting UFO encounters and the UFO phenomenon as intentional communication, through an analogue of dream interpretation theory. Many UFO encounters are archetypal communications from a higher source. The UFO phenomenon itself can be seen as peripheral cueing of our species with a goal of activating Universe awareness. These UFO-based communications are part of our process of Universe integration.
As practice, in 1977, as a futurist with the Center for the Study of Social Policy at SRI, I formulated and developed a proposed study with the Carter White House on extraterrestrial communication. That study was brutally terminated by the intervention of the SRI-Pentagon liaison in September, 1977. So I am familiar with the information war, and am a practitioner of exopolitics.
Q: If you were to narrow down the most important aspect of your contribution to this process, what would it be?
A: This question itself illustrates the fresh perspective exopolitics brings. "Important" from whose perspective: the perspective of terrestrial civilization, or the Extraterrestrial Initiative? The Extraterrestrial phenomenon - in its Universal manifestation - is interactive, highly evolved, multi-dimensional (I am not talking about near-Earth remnants of our Universe quarantine). I am still not quite sure how my actions might be "important" from an Extraterrestrial perspective. Thanks for the question.
Interview by Graham Simms
The Gazette (Halifax, Nova Scotia)
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